gross assumption you're making. because it didn't leak, we should assume it's not true. however, when information does leak you question it because it was leaked. don't you see the politics at play in that? >> take a step back. you have no evidence of there was collusion or there wasn't collusion. there is no evidence to either of our sides. >> that's not accurate. we don't know. what i'm saying is i don't know what they have. you're saying, yeah, but it would have leaked and it hasn't leaked, so there must be none. >> that's what you're saying. so there is no public information right now about collusion between donald trump and the russians, right? we agree on that point? >> i say that's a fair statement. some people argue otherwise, but i take your point. >> what is the evidence? i haven't seen any evidence to that fact between trump and russia. >> you know the old notion from barry scheck when it came to evidence. absence of evidence means no