>> i don't know what to say. let's not have a low energy conversation here. again, you applaud loyalty. it's a white house this n crisis. it's a piece well sourced. the nicknames he gives people, some things he's said to take them down. anyone who's been around this president knows the sharpness, the sarcasm and sometimes the meanness comes with the territory. he does have some of those other positive qualities like a magnetic personality, but that quote is beyond priceless. >> it doesn't jive with the facts and it suggests he's one dimensional which he does not. during the campaign he was known for this. everyone who stood on that stage with him had a name. there was a label. low energy and everything else. and so it doesn't -- when you have that much evidence to the contrary or you're not acknowledging your boss's faults to a certain extent, it just kind of lacks credibility.