of it, the show of it. do you believe it? >> this person has a lot of experience so i listen carefully when that talk gets out. on the one hand, because he is a showman, a great showman, loves a speckle, loves a show, loves a television circus atmosphere, i can see why he'd say, boy, that's great. trump's name is up there. on the other side, what the former fbi director has to say cannot be good news for him. >> yeah. maybe do you ever wonder if he understands maybe there is no collusion, that he thinks of, in the way he thinks of collusion. >> right. >> but it's often the coverup of -- or not being worth coming wi -- forthcoming. >> at the president's level, it is almost always the coverup. if president trump gets in much deeper trouble -- and that is an if. we don't have the facts. one of the things we really need are the facts. >> exactly. >> if it turns out that he