>> well, i just don't think -- i just don't believe there are tapes. i think if there were tapes, you'd probably already have seen the tapes or heard the tapes. >> yeah. so, you mentioned collusion, we were joking in the beginning but that wasn't what the hearing was about yesterday. no one said there was no collusion. they said that they didn't talk about it much. he said when he left, he didn't see any evidence of collusion but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. it may not have happened. >> people keep talking -- keep on talking about collusion with the russians, and, you know, as they've said in hearings and hearings and hearings, there's no proof anywhere of collusion, but it seems that there are people in the media still searching under every rock to try and find collusion with donald trump. >> but michael -- >> there had to be a reason, go back for a minute, don -- >> the purpose of the hearing yesterday was whether -- why he got fired. that was the purpose of the hearing. they didn't go into a deep discussion about collusion and he did say when he left, he didn't see any evidence of collusion but he's been gone for