go ahead, margaret. >> look, andre, she's perfectly capable to run large-scale events. if they trust her and want to put her in a good position, put on the events for the president in the east room, estate dining room, the easter egg roll. that's the skill set that is translatable to someone who you trust and that happens in the white house. >> the last person who had this job -- >> you know who the last person was? the mayor of new york city. bill de blasio joined urban housing development. that's the precedent for this kind of job, somebody who is deeply qualified in public housing issues. all right. that is what is common -- >> hang on. andre, have you ever been to zsh -- do you know how big central park, one of the biggest parks