have to make the program better and that's what i like so much about this plan. it block grants the money with a bill to increase to the states. so you've got jerry brown out in california working with his medicaid money, trying to come up with the most efficient way for californians, and scott walker in wisconsin a totally different model. >> cutting the overall amount, won't be able to do as much and people will lose coverage. >> i don't know that governor walker has been doing that, but let me just say, we are not cutting money from medicaid. we are growing medicaid. >> but isn't it -- >> at a much more sustainable rate. >> and isn't is semantics end of the day? you're going to give it less money in terms of the now in regards to the rate adjustments? >> and if you measure -- chris, if you measure success in the amount of money you're sending