transcript afterwards and if he did read the transcript, what would be your advice regarding president putin? >> we ought to push on ukraine, to get them to cease doing the destabilization in the east, make clear there won't be any sanctions relief until they do. we got to push hard on the interference in our elections, but we ought to be open to areas of cooperation, say in syria or anywhere elsewhere we can, conceivably, north korea, though i'm more worried about russian mischief making there, where they are complementing what china has done in being a source of support. we should have a broad relationship with him. i don't think favors is something we should do for him. meetings like this to me in principle are welcome as long as they are conducted in a smart, tough way. >> we'll have to wait and see