this woman actually delivered anything in the meeting is not as relevant at the idea that -- that the trump campaign or his son was receptive to the notion of getting that kind of information from somebody who was a russian national. let me get julia to weigh in on this as well. julia, how do you see it? >> just, the word "receptive" the right word to think about. the russians understood the trump campaign. the trump son, to be receptive to information that would hurt hillary clinton. and that is where the action matters. right? in other words, that is something that the russians certainly would have exploited and continued on doing as we saw over the course of the summer after this meeting is when the dnc gets hacked. when other things happen, that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that the trumps receptivity to what the russians