confident that they have directly identified the threats. what kind of pressure testing and reality checking they have done to make sure that our systems aren't more vulnerable than they might appreciate. >> thank you, mr. wray. >> i would like to defer to my colleague senator blumenthal. >> good afternoon mr. wray, thank you for your willingness to serve and your family's. i want to ask you a couple of questions and hope that you can give me answers that are as straight forward as you can, given the limitations of your position. in your view, is obstruction of justice a serious crime? >> absolutely. >> is your view that lying to the fbi is a serious crime? >> absolutely. >> and both should be