behavior. opposition research is a real thing. and it happens in politics every day. and people throw things at each other, you know, in an awful way in our politics every single election cycle. this is very different and we should not normalize it. i'm not sure what the reaction should have been, but hiding it and not talking to the fbi right away say, hey, russians are trying to give us information, this doesn't smell right, that should have been their reaction. >> and now you have the possible testimonies of the former campaign manager, paul manafort, advisor jared kushner, of donald trump jr., will this be a set of legal problems for all of these three? or will they be strictly political ones, particularly for kushner since he is a white house advisor? >> yeah, i mean, certainly i think it's going to cause political problems either way. i mean, you have these folks up there talking about it's going to be a hostile questioning environment at those hearings.