the real substance here, as just as a way of restoring the respect for the rule of law down this path. i don't want to see it distorted by a special counsel. >> first of all, there's no reason to suggestion that bob mueller would do anything that is distorting of anything. you guys loved him! he's one of your own. he's a republican. he is a war hero. he served this country. everybody thought he was a great choice. and now, the president is worried about him and now you're going bad on him. but what i don't get is, you really think that anthony weiner's e-mails are of much of a threat to this country's security as what russia did during the election? you really would rather put russia's interference aside, figuring out how they did it and how to stop it the next time to go look at anthony weiner's e-mails? >> let's do both. it's not an either/or situation. and i've said this. the substance -- here's what we don't have. you have not seen and i have not seen the actual evidence of what the russians, i believe, now, did do to try to hack into our