and just this shirts versus skins attitude that really predates president trump. and so -- but i think we've just gotten coarser and coarser. i talk in the book about things like the birtherism that was put forward. >> by president trump, mainly. >> and sheriff joe pyle sent investigators to hawaii and then had a press conference after he was defeated, still saying it was a forged birth certificate. this was in december of last year. a terrible thing to do and to prolong, and i think that that rejection of destructive politics, we've got to reject that. as a conservative, that's just not what conservatives should do. and i mean, we've got huge problems to solve in this country, the biggest, in my view, is our looming debt and growing deficit. we have $20 trillion in debt.