coverage yesterday, last week. i live in a state, i used to be on obamacare that only has one provider. our premiums have gone through the roof. all of those promises made about obamacare -- >> did your state accept the medicaid expansion money? >> we did not. >> you see what i'm saying? you don't think that factors into why the market became destabilized? >> not at all. >> why not? >> the market became destabilized because the system is broken and they couldn't figure out a way to bring market forces to bear in the insurance business. >> what does that mean? when has that ever worked in the insurance world? when have we ever seen that this free enterprise notion makes things cheaper for people when it comes to health insurance, people crippled by the cost before the aca. you know that. >> i'd love to have a long conversation about what was broken with health insurance before obamacare and what continues to be broken with insurance with obamacare. it's one of the few things you buy that you really don't care