scandal. i can understand why the president's lawyers are trying to narrow the scope. going back to the electronic trail, i should have mentioned this, beyond the e-mails, we've seen from don jr., there are intercepts, there are intelligence that we know goes back to last summer that involves russian officials talking about manafort, russian officials talking about flynn. that's part of what got the thing going to begin with last summer. there are still a lot of unanswered questions about whether any of those kind of ideas the russians had, those notions were consummated, whether they actually did try to work with them. i think that's a huge part of what the special investigation is looking at. and you start digging into that, digging into financial records, these things can go on for a long time and they can get awfully broad, and awfully kind of veer off in courses we don't expect to see in the beginning. >> pam? >> i was just going to say, it started off with the intercepts, and raised the suspicions of investigators, and we were told that carter page who the fbi