judges. i think bannon's genius was communication over the last five to ten years, i'm not talking about the issues, i think his talent. i think trump needs to bring in more conservatives to signal to some of us that the base is still being heard. but i don't think cohen or kushner are going to tell trump what to do, i think they will have input, and he will stick to the issues. >> one of the things that maggie haberman talked about, nobody tells trump what to do. how do you think it shifts the power? >> i think it remains to be seen. it's not clear if that position will be filled. i want to fulfill, i didn't say bannon's position on race, donald trump's position on race, i did say they have the same national impulses and i'm not sure what he was deriving from