probably now a lost cause to try to denuclearize. that was months after the test before that. we heard from former secretary of defense william perry. i've been speaking to these people for months as this crisis escalates who says north korea wants three things. a, the survival of the kim din city and the country, b, to be taken seriously as an international nuclear power and partnersnd and, c, to venetz policy. i talked to a former iowa analyst to actually meet with senior north korean officials to hear what they have in mind and they have reaffirmed that just in the last month or so as well. the north koreans tell them, tell these american officials, that they will not denuclearize, that they would be crazy to so so now that they're finally in the last throws of pe ferkting it. they want to change the relationship and change the balance of power between north