launch, whether there's harmful intent or not. even if a test launch. we've got that capability to take that missile out in midcourse, and we're going to do so. so i think that that would be appropriate, but it is -- >> you think that's the next step for the u.s. to try to deter this behavior, just go ahead and knock down one of the missiles during one of their tests? >> i think that would be an appropriate response. >> and do you think that would escalate things further, though? would it trigger the north koreans to try to do something bigger and bolder? >> well, i think that we are in sort of the end of the rope, so to speak right now, in the sense that we tried all kinds of strategies to contain their program, and they are really at the final steps of -- of having a nuclear capable icbm that can hit the united states. so not only a threat to the