groping, grabbing women. >> i said it was wrong then. >> keith, go ahead on this topic. >> a, that's factually wrong. the nfl players association has done a lot of work -- >> they covered it up! >> i did not interrupt you, don't interrupt me. >> you can't put out misinformation. >> ben, allow the guy to speak, please, so we can have a discourse. >> go ahead, keith. >> thank you. there have been any number of players in the nfl, and i'm not here to defend the nfl, especially not in the area of domestic violence, but it's not accurate to say that there were not players who have not taken a stand on the issue of domestic violence, because there have been many players in the nfl who have taken a stand on that issue. there have been players on the nfl who have done volunteer work and community work around the area of domestic violence. the nfl has gotten a lot wrong, they got a lot wrong in terms of domestic violence, but to bring that up in the conversation that we're having as a means to