>> and dave, we're learning from the lawyer, senior white house adviser jared kushner, the son-in-law of president trump used a private e-mail account for correspondence with fellow administration officials. how significant do you think this is? >> the hypocrisy is simply boundless. this coming from somebody so closely aligned with the president who railed against hillary clinton. i'm not condoning hillary clinton for having the private server. but i think it's totally disingenuous for jared kushner to be working in the white house and communicating on a nonsecure private e-mail account independent of the white house server, which is set up to protect and enhance security for those within the building. >> ben, your response. >> look, i think there needs to be one e-mail account used if that's what the rules say. let's be clear. we don't know if this was nonsecure, secure e-mail. that was set up by jared kushner. so to imply that it is unsecure is not true yet because we don't know the facts on the that. the second thing is the majority