section 1,001 to make a false statement to the fbi agent. so, these people who have no exposure on their own, their only exposure if s if they make a false statement. >> they true in the investigations as well, you've got people whose gone and spoke in the house, lying to congress is a crime even if they're not under oath. >> jerry, can you draw a conclusion will be where mueller is in his investigation now that priebus has now been interviewed? >> i defer to jeff on that. this isn't the first time a white house chief of staff has been on the outside. way back to adams, bob holden and others. you assume the chief of staff would do everything he could to protect the president at that time, there wasn't a question of their divided loyalties, now as all the other panelist have