to destroy obamacare. >> then you had obamacare, not going to make the cr payment, going to blow the exchanges up, right? >> joining me now is republican lawmaker who has voted to block all recent republican efforts to overhaul obamacare. susan collins of maine. senator, thank you for joining us today. >> thank you, jake. >> let's begin right there. by scrapping these subsidies to health insurance companies, is president trump, as steve bannon said, blowing up obamacare? >> jake, the debate in washington has been whether or not to repeal and replace obamacare in the future. what the president is doing is affecting the ability of vulnerable people to receive health care right now. this is not a bailout of the