but on the other -- you need the insurgents to keep the guys off balance. he goes around -- more wins is going to be a trumpy kind of senator. trump is enjoying keeping everyone off balance. in terms of his own ability to keep these senators dancing to his tune, i don't think trump is being entirely stupid here. >> sort of the puppet ear. >> when trump disagrees with someone, he does so loudly, angrily in a bullying manner, that is not true with steve bannon. he almost seems afraid of him. i'm going to talk to him about a few of those people. he's careful and defrn shall. >> he certainly is erin, trump understands that steve bannon understands how to reach out to the grassroots, how to get a grassroots audience who are disaffected, who are angry, who sees the establishment as the problem in washington and he knows how to get the pitchforks out, much like president trump