both consider clearly nativism. it's a divide and conquer strategy. we've seen that before. look at the 1950s, as you know, jake. joe mccarthy mis-dwigversus dwi eisenhower. this time is the insurgent is in the white house. when you look at donald trump, it's not about that exclusive club of ex-presidents, it's more about talking about people like joe mccarthy, ross perot. >> does it matter? do you think president trump cares? or is it just more the establishment versus trump? >> i think they care. it has to hurt to have george w. bush do that, but, boy, it's simple payback. i mean, donald trump has been pounding on 43. he eviscerated jeb bush. name-calling. but pounding 43 on the iraq war. i think we're in the middle of a civil war of sorts.