tracking down various tips, a lot of which ended up showing in that dossier. what i and a lot of my colleagues assumed was this was research that had been dug up in the republican primary and had gone dormant. and on october 7th, that's when you had the u.s. government come out and say, it was their conclusion that the russians were trying to intervene in the election and they were behind the dnc hack. and it resurrected a lot of interest with trump's calls with russian. so when those calls would come in, we found it interesting, we would trade information about what we were hearing from different sources. but we were powerless to help those reporters get over the hump and get over the finish lain of reporting, because we didn't have any of the research or at least i didn't have it directly. >> just to be clear, brian, you have said previously in the last 24 hours, you don't believe hillary clinton knew about this either, is that right? >> oh, i don't know. >> i don't know. i haven't spoken to her. >> okay, thank for clarifying. >> yeah. >> shouldn't she know? shouldn't you, someone so high up in the campaign, be informed