iceberg no one saw. usually the tip of the iceberg is stuff the media seize. he was arrested and nobody knew about it. >> in some sense that's a testament to bob mueller's team and the way they're operating. secondly, he's arrested and convicted or pleads guilty to lying. and what he did when he first was interviewed by the fbi was, i think, try to be protective of others, maybe a foolish about himself, but protective of others. so i think that this guilty plea to lying has to tell anybody else who has been interviewed or is going to be interviewed you better think long and hard about what you've said or what you're going to say to mueller. you can't protect anyone but yourself, because if you do lie in an effort to protect somebody, a mistaken effort to protect somebody, you're going to end up with 1001 lying count against you. it's a five-year felony and it's easily proved. that's sobering. >> you agree with jeff toobin.