kelly. and i think that has been born out. >> also, this is the big word. slavery. it was about slavery not a crisis of conscience. what does this show us? kelly is a respected guy. how he leads men and women, how he has organized his attention to duty. that's all true. i've checked it ten ways from sunday. it's true. giving him credit for a political modulating ethos is false. it's always been false. the idea that he would control the president's political instincts to play toward division was always an empty promise. this is the proof. listen to what he's saying and listen to where we heard it before, out of the president's mouth. kelly -- >> good people on both sides, crisis of conscience. think about the monuments in a different way maybe, and these people want to take them down. it's bigotry being ignored and rationalized and kelly is not going to make it better. he's making it the same or