democratic party matters. they do not rise to the same level. >> let's talk about jeff sessions, because you have senator franken last night, coming out and saying this is a guy who has problems telling the truth. we heard moments ago all the times that sessions answered in ways that are clearly not totally factual from these meetings. does he have a point. >> well, let's keep in mind that some of the individuals we quote here are the most polarizing and partisan individuals as well. when you ask chuck grassley who is a republican in charnge of te committee, he says we're going to look into it. they're not saying he's lying. that's different from saying this guy is lying. >> what we do know is was there intent to collude with the trump campaign on behalf of other -- of the russians, absolutely. did jeff sessions come out and lie? that's a bit of an overstatement has he not been forthcoming,