won over. >> there are a lot of different cat gather categories. >> we don't know how john mccain is feeling today. >> unspecified. >> this is where the rubber will hit the road. it will be later. they will be able to get it through to the senate. the first year of the ronald reagan presidency, they cut taxes. the bush presidency, they cut taxes. that's the first thing they do. they want to find a way. whether they will be happy they do that, it could raise taxes on suburban voters in the place where they are most in trouble already. i do think they want to get the big curveball. they will need to impose some kind of trigger to get it through to the senate that says we will raise taxes if it doesn't produce as much revenue as we expect. >> it goes back to the old way.