responded to the bakkers' constant request for money. >> how many do you have right now? >> just about 30. >> 30 what? >> silver 7,000 clubs. >> that's $90,000. >> praise god. >> the bakkers have been criticized for their own lavish lifestyle. >> just because i'm a christian doesn't mean i don't like nice things. i love nice things, and jim and i work very, very hard for nice things. >> they say the only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. >> a fleet of luxury cars and fancy homes from palm springs, california, to south carolina. >> they think by them living well and having rolls-royces, everyone will thing, ah, god is shining his countenance upon them and, thus, upon us. and ptl becomes the vehicle for their media empire, for their theme parks. >> if we are to be fishers of men, that's what the bible says, we've been using some pretty lousy bait. we've just built better bait to reach people.