>> now richard painter former ethics lawyer under george w. bush. julia, let me start with you. is discrediting mueller and his team right now, even better than firing him? they discredit him? >> absolutely. i think that's what they're doing about it would be messy for the trump white house. they still have the pardon powers. trump did not say no to the possibility of pardoning flynn or kushner. their strategy is what we call greasing the runway, prepping the battlefield. i know we're focused on this, in the end we don't know what mueller is going to come up with. if it's clear evidence of collusion or something close to collusion, all of this stuff, i