campaign. now "the new york times" reports george papadopolous, who pleaded guilty already to lying to the fbi, apparently told an australian diplomat in london that russia had dirt on hillary clinton. at the time, papadopolous was the foreign policy adviser to the trump campaign. a couple months after that discussion, leaked e-mails from democrats started a peering on-line. the "times" reports it is papadopolous's conversation and the e-mail hacking that combined led to the fbi's russia investigation and that papadopolous had a much bigger role in the campaign than the white house admits. joining us to discuss, cnn political reporter rebecca berg and former federal prosecutor mirayati. two things from republicans all long on the russia probe, george papadopolous was just a coffee boy, oh, yeah, and that dossier was the reason the fbi started investigating the trump campaign's ties to russia. does this new reporting undercut all of that? >> well, absolutely. this is mostly the spin we've