to the media, it may be a suggestion that they were trying to have the true audience be mueller and his team. one would hope that mueller and his team probably much more well versed in this than certainly the nonmedia savvy trump campaign team was. but this is what mueller already knows. >> let me ask you this, this gets to an essential legal question here. and i should note that it's not just michael wolff's book that has the details of this air force one crafting of the meeting. saying it was about adoptions, when we know that russians were offering dirt on hillary clinton. from a legal standpoint, if a president crafts a false statement about this with his staff members present. and them taking part, from a legal standpoint, does that constitute instructing subordinates to lie? >> what it constitutes, instructing subordinates to not provide forthcoming truth and be forthright in their statement.