jeffrey toobin, professor alan dershowitz. if you were advising the president or his team, what would you advise him about this. >> the dread would be if he got a subpoena to appear in front of the grand jury. no lawyer present. no opportunity to know the questions in advance. donald trump unscripted, uncontrolled. lawyer's nightmare. uncontrolled donald trump in a grand jury room. they'll do anything to avoid that. he won't plead the fifth. he has to answer the questions so they'll accept anything short of that, interrogatories, questions, written questions, maybe an informal interview. remember, if you lie to a law enforcement official, even not under oath, that is a serious federal crime. so mueller has the leverage here, the legal leverage because he can threaten the grand jury subpoena. but what i think ultimately they would prefer, the defense attorneys, is to make all kinds of proposals for mueller and then mueller turn them down and