i saw a guy that, principle, we're going to build a wall to protect our society. >> we don't know what that means anymore. >> let me finish. friedman said if you're going to have a welfare state, you need a stronger border otherwise there's a economic insensitive to cross the border into your welfare state. united states has a welfare position in the society, providing a safety net and i believe we should have that, paul ryan believes that and so does the president. but you have to protect the people living in the united states legally so you can protect the tax system and the services and the benefits. one of the things the president believes and he said and referenced it today that border officials, dhs people believe, there has to be a wall in certain areas. >> he's new to this. that's always been the position of border experts. that'll all i'm saying. he's been saying something for a