along in a meeting rather than actually focusing on immigration, then i think that is wrong and it's disturbing. furthermore, i've been to the wall. it's just like there are rivers. it is ridiculous. and there was an article today that said the president is interested, his budget request is all about spending money or getting rid of the money that's being spent on effective border security measures to spend it on a wall that's not going to work. which proves my point that this president has a tendency to care more about how he looks than what happens with the country. and that i think is big problem. >> i communicated with four of the folks, four of the kopg people that were in there. they're not dumb. a lot of folks have been working on this for decades. they've got to come up with a deal. there's got to be a border security component. they may have to do tweaking on the lottery visas. they know exactly what they've got to do. donald trump invited them to come up with a deal.