>> so two days later, a change. >> racism is evil. and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs. including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups. >> but then the next day, another step backwards. >> but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides, you had people in that group -- excuse me, excuse me -- i saw the same pictures as you did -- >> don't blame both sides. they came to this city to spread their hate. >> the thought that if you cannot come down hard on them because you might alienate some in the base -- i think you've got to get a new base. >> do you think that's what was motivating him? >> i think that there was an element of that here. didn't want to offend some people that he had i think given quarter to, at least. >> he's the most nonracist person i've ever known. and anybody who's been with him