are holding the government funding hostage to resolving daca. there's an argument for that. on the other hand, the president is holding resolving daca hostage not only to board. er security, but to an issue that's very different. reductions in the level of legal immigration. it's important to understand that's the biggest hangup at this point. certainly in the senate on resolving daca because you have had them move significantly toward the president saying they would be willing to put more money into border security and the wall. but the hard liners and this is where graham gets so frustrated, are also demanding reductions in legal immigration. the republican senators have proposed to cut legal immigration in half over the coming decades. so there are lots of different layers to this. and again. i think one big hangup for democrats is this history where -- >> we have jeff flake speaking. let's listen.