another step backwards. >> but you also had people there were very fine people, on both sides. you had people in that group -- excuse me, excuse me, i saw the same pictures as you did. >> don't blame both sides, they came to this city to spread their hate. >> the thought that if you cannot come down hard on them because you might alienate someone in the base, i think you've got to get a new base. >> do you think that was what was motivating him? >> i think there was an element of that, he didn't want to offend some people that he had, i think, given quarter to at least. >> he's the most nonracist person i have ever known, and anybody who's been with him over time can tell you that. >> soon after charlottesville came huntsville, alabama. where president trump denounced football players, most of them african-american who had taken a knee during the national anthem