election. and i think also he's got a lot to hide with obstruction of justice now. he's got plenty to hide. we'll see what happens with this investigation. but to think just a month after he fired comey, when there was still so much backlash, that he then ordered the firing of mueller. that tells you. that tells you quite a lot about what lengths he is willing to go to, even when there is plenty of public opposition. >> rob, quickly. >> but everyone has already hung the president. he is already guilty, right? we haven't seen one ounce -- >> no one has said guilty here. >> that's the implication here. it's obstruction of justice. [ overlapping dialog ] >> the implication -- >> tried to fire mueller. >> the implication -- >> fire comey. if he's got nothing to hide. >> he talked to his lawyer. >> he gave the order. >> it didn't happen. >> the reason it didn't happen is because -- >> the pr backlash. come on. >> i got run. i got to run. thank you all. >> nice try. >> fascinating conversation. i appreciate having you.