is when we come do roseto to rosenstein, this is probably the third approval of a fisa wasrra where to get through this process you have to go through extraordinary levels of showing evidence, having probable cause that here carter page was a part of -- was an accessory to the russian government. so really we're starting with this conversation about the memo, but to me, it is critically important that we have the conversation about what would have been truly outrageous here, in my view, as a former prosecutor, is if we didn't actually do a fisa warrant on someone who is known to have been a target of the russians, who wanted him to become a spy, who continually had business dealings, who was constantly in russia. was a senior member of a campaign who'd already provided public information but provided information to the russians. >> i think -- >> you know, carter page kind of had a pre-existing condition here, carter page had been surveilled before this renewal of this. >> and warned by the fbi that he was a target.