perjure himself. the president sitting down a month ago or year ago and now his attorneys not wanting him to sit down today. where there's smoke, there's fire. and i think it's rich of steve to suggest otherwise. lastly, we don't know if there's not any collusion. we only know what we know. we have no idea to know what special counsel robert mueller knows. again, it is very rich and extremely egregious for anyone to suggest that there is absolutely no collusion because you just don't know. you asserted yourself that you're not an attorney. neither am i. we need to wait for the investigation and the facts. >> we've had an investigation going on about a year and a half. and there's utter no evidence of any collusion. why? because there wasn't any collusion. >> we also don't have the investigation. >> it was factory workers and coal miners and cops in states like wisconsin and ohio and