it's hard to imagine in this day and age. >> who jumps out? >> give us names. >> oh, gosh, the people -- you have kamala harris, cory booker, kerstin gillibrand. you have people just in the way that they vote -- they have a big red flashing signal saying i think i want to run in 2020. >> there are also huge lefties. >> there's something else, something else that they are that i think about all the time. they're cautious. in donald trump's america, what he showed, at least at that point is you can't be cautious. you have someone like tom steier who is a billionaire who is running all these ads saying impeach the president. he's the opposite of cautious. it's easy not to be cautious when you have zillions of dollars. i think that's one of the things to look at, is people willing to take a risk. >> i think you're spot on.