more than he was before, i guess, right? >> true. >> the implication is that he just sort of found out about it. i mean that's sort of, but the reporting shows that's not the case, that actually they've known about it for a while. the fbi told them. i don't think it really rises to the level probably the condemnation that it should have. at the same time, he has a relationship with this person, and he's reiterating that he respects him. i mean i just keep saying this over and over. just because you like somebody doesn't mean that they didn't do this. >> that's the information that you and gloria borger -- that he had heard of this in the fall? >> that he had heard about it in the fall and that the president didn't know about it until now, which is what was so sort of striking and puzzling about the statement you just read, which is it's so carefully crafted saying that he was surprised to learn about the new allegations. >> mm-hmm. >> what are the new allegations? what did he know beforehand? >> right. >> we don't know the answer. >> we don't know if the new