>> what does that mean? >> well, that means basically he's talking about putting $200 billion of federal money into projects but actually taking money. there's a whole variety of estimates. some people think he's taking more money from existing infrastructure programs to put it in his. think about him creating a few new programs and funding them by defunding other infrastructure programs. >> so it's a shell game? >> it's a shell game as it relates to the money. it won't really result in my judgment and increase in our investment in infrastructure, something we desperately need. then he does a bunch of deregulation, most likely of environmental regulations in the bill. so that's kind of the thrust of the bill. and i think he's kind of -- the shiny object he's trying to put out there is $200 billion, 1.5 trillion, but that's not really real new net money. >> everybody says they're for infrastructure. >> right now. >> and it does seem to be a bipartisan topic. >> right now. >> why hasn't your bill gotten more traction over the past year? >> look, my bill, what i did is