paid for. they may now have come around to agree. they're not secret gun controllers -- >> you contradict yourself. you're saying they have been bought off so they must not agree -- >> they are kept, now kept. i don't know how they started -- >> you're saying -- >> a conflict of interest. do you know the definition of conflict of interest? >> no look, if -- >> you don't know the definition of conflict of interest? >> you believe none of these people are sincere, none of them -- >> i never said they weren't sincere, all i did was -- >> i don't know what you're saying. >> here's what i'm saying. i put the information out there. did you hear what i said? facts first. >> right. >> these are the facts, you make up your mind. >> okay, i'll -- >> if you think that getting thousands of dollars, even millions of dollars, doesn't influence someone, then you're sadly mistaken. come on. >> you're saying they sincerely believe there's all sorts of gun control measures -- >> no, no, no. i think you're doing the same thing with me now in this conversation as people who oppose sensible gun laws do. you go to extremes. and you say things that people