part of the memo to the democrats which also lays out a lot of other detail about how carter page was on the fbi's radar. they had, in fact, interviewed carter page in march of 2016, several months before they made this application in october of 2016. so the notion that this article was another key piece of intelligence that the court was relying on doesn't stand up. >> page, do you believe that -- i mean, the rebuttal of the democrats say that the dossier was impleed with narrow use here. do you believe that this warranty would have been approved without the doesy say based on what we know? >> no way to answer that question and i think the argument between the memos and back and forth and how important was it would they have gotten the warrant without putting in the steele information? we don't know. the judges look at the totality of the evidence put before them and make a sdermgs is there probable cause to support the