we have become used to taking donald trump seriously not literally. does he know to do that? >> maybe that's why it's going to become a photo op. i spent a lot of time covering the russia story. i know his lawyers in the russia story don't want him to testify before bob mueller because of the amount of prep work it could take and afraid that he might say something wrong that would contradict someone. i think it's the same thing with meeting with kim jong-un. they would have to prep him so much for this if it were serious and detailed that it would a lot of time. >> he doesn't like to read the pdb every morning. s >> kim has never met with another head of state. this is his first go at it. >> i can't worry about kim. >> this man is a rookie. he's never been out of north korea. i'm not sure we're dealing with a sophisticated of a world leader as you think.