when special counsel came out mid march with indictment, at treasury, look at the people and institutions named, we better make sure we prevent financial transactions for them. when i look at this as former government bureaucrat, there is one interesting point here. you look at the agencies outside the white house that have issued statements on this. director of national intelligence, the cia, the fbi, the department of justice. nipp nikki haley has been tough on this. secretary of state, tough on russia, secretary of defense. now secretary of treasury coming out with sanctions that had to be coordinated from the white house. there's nobody left in town. everybody said you want to know who is responsible for this, it is moscow. >> do they go far enough, the new sanctions? >> you know, they're pretty modest. these are people that were already indicted. the sanctions are the least of their problems. they could be going to prison. >> not going to prison if they stay in russia. >> that's true. notice who is not on the list, for example, on the list of