from. where two lawyers speak to each other about a damages clause in a contract and somehow he interprets that as a threat. >> let's look at the different avenues of legale -- exposure for cohen. by saying this is a lie, none of this happened that way, it's defamatory, you hurt her reputation. >> that's not the statement. >> calling her -- >> defamation is a very -- you have to look at the statement itself. what's one of the elements of defamation? a false statement. >> right. >> all he said was, the only statement in question is it doesn't matter whether something is true or not, it can still hurt a person. i will do anything to defend mr. trump. that's the statement at hand. one of the elements that has to be proven is -- >> hold on. she's alleges that cohen has said the way this deal was done and threats that were made that all of those suggestions are lies and that's what they're saying is the truth. so they're saying it's