can get it from a crime or not. congressm congressman, mueller is saying he was in contact with him in the months leading up to the collusion and gates knew that this person was an intelligence agent, was a spy. how significant could that be, that he was both in contact with this individual, that he knew this individual to be a russian spy, and that this happened in the months before the election, congressman? >> well, as richard said, it certainly establishes a tie between the campaign and the russians. question is is this criminal? i simply don't know the answer to that. but i'll tell you it seems that this moves beyond paul manafort business dealings that preceded his time with the campaign. kind of really puts the campaign directly in the cross hairs. and so we still have a lot more to learn from director mueller, but i would be a little nervous right now if i were part of the campaign and part of the trump campaign. it seems to me they have a lot to worry about. i'm not saying the president is directly implicated here, but